A lesson learned - Philippine Bodybuilding and Fitness Board

theveed · PBFB Admin

RE: A lesson learned

kingkaboodles · Senior Member

imo, anything abused eh masama sa katawan. as what ironhead posted before, steroids have been used naman before for other treatments in the medical field.

when used as a regular supplement and without a doctor to guide you on the treatment, masama talaga sya.

i remember a segment on an abs-cbn program.. where the guy injects some type of drug used in animals (horses ata) to other bodybuilders. they also filmed another bodybuilder na nagkaroon nang liver problem from using steroids. parang may hepatitis din at madilaw-dilaw ang mata.

billyboy · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: theveed
"Yes, even if you take it correctly, GH and roids are dangerous.

What are the common supplements that natural BB use:

Creatine
Whey
BCAA
Glutamine
ZMA

These are all safe and are proven to be clear of danger...

Some of the newer "faddish" supplements are not as safe and are likely to be phased out in the future such as the early 90's boom of Boron, Yohimbe enhanced supplements.

Nitric oxide
Ephedra (already banned) etc.
"

Thanks for clearing this theveed

-- Edited by billyboy at 07:00, 2005-02-03

IronHeaD · Senior Member

Just to give you guys a new news, I just started using Tribulus Terrestris with DHEA and it worked really great, I can lift heavy just like the way i lift when I was taking 300mg/week Deca-Durabolin 4 months ago.

Try the suppliment!!!

-- Edited by IronHeaD at 18:55, 2005-02-03

theveed · PBFB Admin

quote:
Originally posted by: IronHeaD
"Just to give you guys a new news, I just started using Tribulus Terrestris with DHEA and it worked really great, I can lift heavy just like the way i lift when I was taking 300mg/week Deca-Durabolin 4 months ago.
Try the suppliment!!!-- Edited by IronHeaD at 18:55, 2005-02-03"

IronHead: As mentioned earlier, discussions about PH and Steroids are welcomed in PBFB, but promoting and advicing to take them in the forums are not. If members are interested, you may feel free to communicate with them using our private message function. Thanks.

IronHeaD · Senior Member

Sorry sir. Its not gonna happen again.

theveed · PBFB Admin

No harm done bro... :)

van_wilder · Senior Member

theveed diba optimum tinatake mo din? kailangan pa ba mag-glutamine? kasi diba meron na rin dun. eh para saan ZMA?

ironhead: yun tribulus? para saan ba strength or mass?

IronHeaD · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: van_wilder
ironhead: yun tribulus? para saan ba strength or mass?"

Hi van, Tribulus is for strength.

billyboy · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: van_wilder
"theveed diba optimum tinatake mo din? kailangan pa ba mag-glutamine? kasi diba meron na rin dun. eh para saan ZMA?

ironhead: yun tribulus? para saan ba strength or mass?"

VW:Ever heard of Pro Complex by ON?It's also a protein supplement(not pure whey),with glutamine na daw,55% protein daw!!!

kingkaboodles · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: van_wilder
"eh para saan ZMA?
"

supposedly, its a hormone(testosterone) enhancer. googled ZMA - there's a link to an article in abcbodybuilding.com

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/magazine/zman.htm

and here's another info from

http://www.worldclassnutrition.com/zma.html

ZMA

A Zinc and Magnesium Formulation (ZMA)

Increases Anabolic Hormones and Strength in Athletes

A double-blind, randomized study was conducted to determine the effect of a novel zinc and magnesium formulation (ZMA) on anabolic hormone levels and strength in athletes. Members of the University football team (n=27) had blood collected at the beginning and end of an 8 week period of intensive training. Subjects were supplemented with ZMA (n=12) or placebo (n=15) for the 8 weeks.

The ZMA group took 3 capsules nightly that contained a total of 30 mg of ZN as monomethionine/aspartate, 450 mg of Mg as aspartate and 10.5 mg of vitamin B-6.

The plasma Zn and Mg levels increased in the ZMA group by 29.1% (.804 to 1.038 mcg/ml) and 6.2% (19.43 to 20.63 mcg/ml), respectively, while levels decreased in the placebo group by 4.4% (.836 to .799 mcg/ml) and 9.2% (19.68 to 18.04 mcg/ml), respectively.

The total and free testosterone levels in serum increased in the ZMA group by 32.4% (567.9 to 752.7 ng/dl) and 33.5% (132.1 to 176.3 pg/mL), respectively, in contrast to the placebo group which decreased by 10.5% (588.8 to 526.8 ng/dL) and 10.2% (141.0 to 126.6 pg/mL), respectively.

The serum, IGF-1 levels increased in the ZMA group by 3.6% (424.2 to 439.3 ng/mL) and decreased in the placebo group by 21.5% (437.3 to 343.3 g/mL).

All comparisons were statistically significant (P

theveed · PBFB Admin

Nasagot na ni KKB hehe, I bought 2 bottles of ZMA from the US... $12 each 90 caps... It basically enhances rest periods and promote GH release for muscle recuperation. While technically you can buy regular zinc, magnesium and vitabin b12 to make your own ZMA, the ratio has to be followed, yun yung mahirap. In addition, most multivitamins have calcium with the zma, which counters each other.

IronHeaD · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: theveed
"Nasagot na ni KKB hehe, I bought 2 bottles of ZMA from the US... $12 each 90 caps... It basically enhances rest periods and promote GH release for muscle recuperation. While technically you can buy regular zinc, magnesium and vitabin b12 to make your own ZMA, the ratio has to be followed, yun yung mahirap. In addition, most multivitamins have calcium with the zma, which counters each other."

so, do you think its better to take centrum?!

theveed · PBFB Admin

quote:
Originally posted by: IronHeaD
"so, do you think its better to take centrum?!"

Well, I thought about it before, centrum has "a-z" ika nga sa commercial, but the prob with such vitamins is that they just throw in little of everything. I'm sure you know that the quantity of each vitamin (zinc, magnesium and b6 - sorry I said B12 before) in ZMA supplements are way higher than our average multivitamin.

I'm not sure if U.N's Animal Pak has that kind of amount of ZMA already.

Eto rin weird eh, all research states that Zinc should never be taken with calcium since calcium slows or even prevents zinc from being absorbed sa body... so how come multivitamins have them together?

Sometimes I feel that buying vitamins individually, though more expensive, is less wasteful than over the counter multi-vitamins... Parang the quantity is just enough so that it can claim to contain that vitamin element even if your body won't be able to use it.

In addition, Im sure all of you know, that athletes do not follow the RDA % set by the FDA (or kung ano man yung equivalent dito - DFA ba?) since those only apply to the average sedentary person. Most people require only 150-200g of Vit C, athlete needs 1g or more... So the scale is different.