This time in T-Nation

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124

Consumer Alert: The NO2/Arginine Scam: The Biggest Scam in Supplement History

"Take a look at the history of nutritional supplements and you'll find many scams and cons. It's easy to spot these swindles in hindsight; it's a little tougher to identify them during their market peaks. Well, there's a scam going on right now, a big one. In fact, it's growing even bigger as I write this. Are you falling for it? Are you being suckered by bad science and questionable marketing tactics?

Let's cut to the chase: the biggest scam on the market right now is arginine blood flow stimulators. You may know these by the terms "nitric-oxide stimulators" or "NO2 supplements."

Wait, you already knew these supplements were worthless? And you think you already know what the scam is? Doubtfully. Because I'm about to reveal the real con behind these supplements. In this Consumer Alert, I’ll not only blow the lid off of the whole scam, but I’ll also reveal to you a better hemodilator that's been proven for years to increase blood flow, aid in recovery, and stimulate muscle protein synthesis.

This article covers the science showing why arginine products don’t stand up to their claims, but the rabbit hole goes much deeper than that. Hang on Alice, you’re in for a wild ride."

Read on...

Perpetual pump my a$$

eto, bago ako natulog kagabi napag-isip isip ko kung dangerous ang 9,000mg/day then:

recommended dosage for 200lbs gorilla: 9,000mg/day

9,000mg/200lbs = mg per body weight

45gm/lb of body weight pala

your body weight * 45gm/day = your kinda safe dosage

hahaha, yeah nabasa ko na ang T-Nation. If this this just a Placebo, then it must be one a heck of a placebo

I'm seeing results with this Placebo, but I'll have my own dosage para hindi delikado.

RE: temporary hardness, pump etc.

Eto analogy ko. For an average person like me, di ba kapag humihinto mag gym umi-impis ang katawan? (ectomorph of course, endo/meso gains fat) So, dont you think na temporary din ang pump ng katawan dahil sa weights? Now, why not have that 'weight-lifting/workout pump' lasts longer? Afterall, an ecto loses muscle hardness after a short period of rest, lalo na kapag hindi na sore ang muscle.

flexing and stretching surely works to keep the muscle pumped. but by doing so, you put a constant strain on the muscle strand. Therefore, the recuperation/healing of muscle fibers are hindered. (you stretch/flex, you tear). Back to the basics, growing happens when we are healing. Now, how would the muscle fiber heal if you keep stretching/flexing it? I know it tears the fibers when stretching/flexing because I can have a good workout by just doing so. But would I grow? NOT. Because it needs to heal. Does the constant blood flow to the muscle fibers tear the muscle? Maybe so but it doesnt tear the muscle as much as stretching/flexing.

As soon as I feel an irregularity on my heartbeat or shortness of breath, then I'll stop.

Just remember this...

PubMed

Here lies the problem; vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, sudden drop.

In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little).

Cardio can't help an onset of stroke... your brain can't even live a few minutes without oxygen and blood.

Put it this way, if you really love the supplement too much that scientific research takes a back seat over side effects, it's pointless to find out what you can do to prevent the side effect wherein the most obvious answer is present... don't take it...

If you choose to take it, then the only thing you can do is to observe yourself more vigilantly to see if any of the signs are affecting you...

 

-- Edited by theveed at 14:34, 2005-03-21

hmm, baka nga kailangan mo cardio bro... maybe youre body isn't pumping enough oxygen into your bloodstream.

I believe that everyone who's interested in the sport called bodybuilding should know (or always remind themselves of) the basics: right amount of sleep/rest (at least 8hrs sleep everynight), proper nutrition, proper workout intensity, and proper workout frequency. After you've mastered the basics, that's when "supplements" come in: L-Glutamine, Creatine... I used to be a supplement "freak", but now Im going back to basics. And im liking it...

Karding: I think so, but I have no experience with it.